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I'm seriously considering that as a sig.

@Rahkir, even if you have only good intentions, it's possible to talk yourself into a corner, and when that happens no amount of additional talking or explanations or qualifications or expressions of apology will get you out. (In fact, it's often perceived as gratuitous.) At that point your only option is to start being silent, so with great respect and only the friendliest of intentions, I would humbly suggest that that time for you (in this thread) has arrived. (<-- note friendly emoticons)

 

I'm not trying to police the world here or mock/condescend people into stopping from gaining weight. It's the complaining bit that comes with it for so many people. What I mean to say is this: If you don't do enough to control your weight (whether you're skinny or overweight), stop complaining about your weight.

My gf is quite big. I don't give a rodents heiny, because she is not complaining about it.
I do not tend to mock people who are overweight or obese. I mock them when they complain about it and they don't do anything to control their weight. Same with people who smoke or any other bad influence on their health. If you smoke, don't complain about your smokers cough. You enjoy binge drinking? Enjoy! But I have little sympathy for you if you start complaining about a hangover... Do whatever you like as long as you know how to suffer the consequences.

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Hey! Wait a second! I'm getting the idea that I'm contradicting myself or mix up the mocking part with the "global health" part. For the mocking part, see up. For the Global Health bit:
I DO believe it's not good that the west is getting bigger. I'm not sure if we just should let it happen, though mockery and condescending is surely not the way to get rid of it. Viewing obesity as a normal thing in life just makes it worse, but apparently saying this is condescending.

 

I, too, do not wish to offend anyone (this time). It would not be wise of me, since I share Silvery's opinion on large women, but that aside...

Everyone will and is given grief for their choices. You will be given grief if someone does not like the way in which you dress. You will be given grief because of the music you listen to. You will be given grief because of the tone of your voice. You will be given grief for your opinions. You will be called a 'breeder' if you are heterosexual, you will be called immoral if you are bisexual, you will be called sick and twisted if you are homosexual. You will be given grief if you are too ugly. You will be given grief if you are too pretty. You will be given grief if you are single. You will be given grief if you are in a relationship. You will be given grief for weighing too much. You will be given grief for weighing too less. And if you do not stand out from the norm in any way, you will be given grief for being too boring.

My point is: whatever you do, someone, somewhere in the world, is bound to whine about it. There is absolutely no need to get all worked up over it.

 

Ditto to what Silvery said. Joaqin, as someone concerned for your health I recommedn that you blow off some steam by takinjg some martial arts classes, or some shooting classes, or something to blow off steam.

Let me add to what I have said. If I am on a bus, or at a concert, or on a plane, and someone who is obese is beside me and physically intruding into my space, I have a right to be a little bit pissed, because it is directly affecting me. Should I be a first class dick about it? No. Politeness goes a long way. Funny thing about that . . .

My wife and I went to go see Jeff Foxworthy in concert. The seats were too dang small for her, and it was frustrating for her, for me, and for our seatmates. She was embarrased, and everybody was physically uncomfortable and cramped. I thought outside the box, and went to the disabled section (lots of room for wheelchair bound folk) and asked them if we could relocate there, as there were only 2 wheelchair people there. They were fine with that, and while my wife was a little embarrased, she was grateful. She went on Bernstein a few weeks later.

If the sight of an obese person makes you uncomfy, I can understand the feeling. The feeling doesn't give one the right to be rude, or patronizing, or whatever about it, but the feeling is there regardless. Viewers should just deal with it quietly. But in close quarters, I think it's fair to ask someone to be a little more aware of the location of their booty.

 

The problem is, you said obesity is a choice. Which it necessarily isn't.

And with saying that, you lumped together the lazy, the disadvantaged and the ones who really don't have a choice.

 

Apologies I admitted my mistake and clarified what I meant in my previous posts.

 

were not talking about fat here, were talking about a 60 inch waist and a chest that would struggle to get through doors.

20 years ago, I would have agreed with you, today it is more attitude and pure gluttony - a collegue of mine was obese no reason for it except for his eating habits, he's lost sheds loads of weight (50 waist down to a 44) by simply cutting crisps out of his diet and not snacking between meals, and he's never looked better.

it concerns me when the NHS are treating the underlying health problems caused by it, when hospital beds are going to these people who have had knee or hip surgery because of their weight, and not to cancer patients, it concerns me when the NHS are paying millions to bring in a new fleet of ambulances to cater to obese people, it concerns me when people are claiming incapacity benefit simply because they cant live without McDonalds and Burger King. its tax payer money, I wouldnt give a $h!t about their health if it wasnt costing others money

 

Not that I disagree with you, Tal, but at least where I'm from smokers, drinkers and even football players are all held responsible for their health risks and reminded of it. "You're going to have black lungs." "Oh that cough sounds horrible." "Smoking causes wrinkles you know." "Smoking makes your voice sound awful!" "His 3rd concussion from football? God, that's so stupid." "NO way am I letting my son play football, it's too dangerous!" so on and so forth.

It's pretty common for smoking and drinking to be openly disapproved of (though, mayhaps not in a bar full of smokers and social drinkers). There are differences between how those habits and being fat are treated. Sadly, those who are even just a little chubby are often treated negatively AS PEOPLE. Where as those who smoke or drink are treated as having a negative HABIT. As well as the fact that smoking and drinking are always a choice, where as being fat is not always a choice.

 

Agreed; I was just saying that smokers and alcoholics are openly disproved of as well. They're told that they're unhealthy/hurting themselves, but I think that most smokers/drinkers believe smoking/drinking to be a choice. It's much more clear cut than over-eating or other causes for obesity [note: I'm saying that smoking/drinking have an obvious cure, to stop smoking/drinking. The path to that goal can be very hard and have underlying emotional issues as well. However, one can't just 'stop being fat' cold turkey, no matter how hard they try or why they are fat in the first place.]

 

why are fast food chains doing so well? because the 'dont give a damn' attitude which has developed, anyone remember the pizza burger from burger king? oh, what about the heart attack grill? I havent said anyone enjoys being fat, they simply enjoy their food too much.
al murray: "Its a weight problem isnt it... just cant wait until dinner"

I dont agree on sports, as atheltes are generally doing something which is good for the body, from that respect you could attack drivers of cars for needing treatment after a car accident.

generally people are telling them its their own damn fault, the UK now operates a smoking ban where people are not allowed to smoke in public buildings or on public property. add to this that smoking is heavily taxed, start a serious tax on fast food and I wont have such a problem.

once again, heavily taxed

as for drugs, Ive always said, let them die.

 

Why yes, we fatties do realize being fat is "unhealthy"

Here is a bit more with sources, etc,On just how exactly obesity is not the epic bogeyman that people say it is when it comes to health

Even in this thread, fat people get judged for behaviour that is ok in thin people - because hey its ok to eat thrash and sit on your ass if it doesn't show, and we dont judge the "good fatty" (much) who eats well and exercises even while braying the rhetoric of calories in, calories out.

the media demonizes and dehumanizes/depersonalizes fat people all the time. and no matter what lip service is paid to erating disorders bad, every say there is dozens of examples of glorifying the cult of skinny all around us.

Even with the great amounts of concern trolling about "health", most of the time fat is seen as a personal failing, a disgusting thing, something no one wants to be or be around of - like no one wants to see fat people on telly and hey we know being fat sucks so we tell you how to be skinny and it is easy and let us just infantilize you a little more chances are, because it is being pushed at us constantly, us fat people know more about nutrition and healthy exercise than most "Normal" people who do not have to worry about these things or have it pushed in their faces all. the. time. Like the time I wanted to join a gym touted as one of the best in Dublin. The trainer who showed me around ignored me flat out when I said I was not there to lose weight, that I was interested because it would be a great place to build more muscle. I got treated into a weight loss speil complete with how they could help me with nutrition too "but only if I made a commitment to stick to it" with meaningful glances and condescendion thick enough to cut with a spork. You can guess if I joined or not. Hint: I do not take well to my express wishes being disregarded.

Fat is so many issues rolled into one - class issues, feminist issues, ableism issues - its all there. The inner city food deserts where the only thing available and affordable is nothing but crap, the way women get constantly called "fat $insult" no matter what their actual body size, the assumption that the fat person in a wheel chair is just able-bodied and lazy... I could go on and on.

Guys, do yourself a favor and google size acceptance 101 and health at every size, for starters. You might be surprised at the results.

 

Arabwel, if your saying that being overweight isn't the evil bogeyman then I would agree with you. The nature of the fat (i.e., where is congregates) is even more important than the amount of weight. However, I don't believe there is any medical research that points to obese being anything but detrimental to the health -- there's quite a difference between overweight and obese. I believe the current trend is to identify the difference between healthy and unhealthy -- this mean someone with fat only around thier stomach is going to be considered obese (which is generally considered by definition unhealthy) at a weight much lower than a person whose weight is evenly distributed.

Extremes in weight is unhealthy ... whether too light or too heavy.

 

Unfortunately the medical profession and elsewhere still blindly follows the BMI. Which is inaccurate as a whole.

People also have utterly twisted perception of what overeiught and obese actually are. In this photo a woman 5 lbs shy of being obese is twisted in ways I doubt any of us here can. it is part of the Illustrated BMI which is the best proof i have ever seen that the labvels "overweight" "obese" etc. as they are now, since they are based on the BMI, are useless. (according to BMI, btw, I am "super obese" - no longer happy to say i am morbidly obese, they have added that caterogy...)

From the health point of view - the prevalent climate of fatphobia leads to doctors assuming that anything wrong with the patient is due to their weight. As an example, most doctors refuse to operate on patients deemed "too fat" - unless, of course, it is a gastric bypass surgery which is touted as a real alternative to people when it is known to cause nightmarish complications far too often. If the medical profession stopped assuming that EVERYTHING someone who's fat has wrong with them is due to their weight, I am sure that there would be more articles like my second link which cited several studiess on how fat is not bad.

However, the problem is not the medical impact of body size or life style - the issue is the pervasive judgement of fat people. The whole "Eww fat disgusting" thing.

 

I have gotten my fair share of "ALL YOUR PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY FAT". By doctors.

Including the one that required more than one brain surgery and nearly drove me to killing myself due to the pain alone.

 

were not talking about fat here, I slag off the BMI and weight loss trolls more then anyone, were talking about a 60 inch waist
Do you think thats safe?

 

So what ARE we talking about if not fat? Does going over some specific measurement make someone unacceptable? What about a 59 inch waist? 58? My chest is 56 inches - does that make me "Not fat" but some kind of other too?

 

no, a 56 inch chest, unless your a roider makes you chronically obese, overeating, and simply eating for pleasure is what we ARE talking about, according to your side sig, you're 24, ever think about your future?
we are the only species on this planet which eats for pleasure, and we are the only species on this planet which suffers from obesity. you dont see Tay barns and other all you can eat buffets in the animal world.