Info on thieves

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Currently running with a fmt, trying to figure, out what I'm allowed to backstab with because it seems irregular. Specifically looking at staves. Also seems liches and kuo toa see through stealth/invis, but liches at least still cast true seeing to bring me out of it before or slightly after attacking.

Spoiler

Skin of Raissa, useful for anything?

 

You can not backstab with any weapon originally not usable by a single classed thief. Thus you can backstab with most staves, (Staff of the Ram+6 is especially good and a backstab with this results in major ouchies) but those few only usable by mages/clerics (staff of magi, staff of thunder/lightning, some rods, etc.) are not suitable for back'smack'ing. Even after a single classed thief gets Use Any Item HLA, he can not backstab with a weapon normally not usable by thieves. Otherwise a thief could really abuse Staff of Magi's invisibility upon touch power.

Some monsters can see invisible. Almost any mage will cast True Sight to dispel your illusions or stealth. Spell Immunity: Diviniation can render True Sight useless, though Liches see through invisibility anyway.

For the spoiler question:not for anything I know of, I guess you blew the quest?

 

Do you have the cloak of nondetection?

 

As for what weapons can be used to backstab, Silverstar sums it up nicely. T2's hint is also sound, iirc the cloak of non detection should do the trick.

And what a wonderful opportunity to pimp my old guide on thieves ...

PS: I noted that in my guide I left out that thieves can back'smash with staffs (maybe I should go and edit that ... ah well) and clubs for reasons of taste and purity. While the game allows it, I consider it poor style. Anyhow, that's me and suit yourself.

 

Yeah it may be poor taste, but poor cleric/thieves need to enjoy backstabbing too. Interestingly, holy power+draw upon holy might makes for a great backstab combo, I would like to try it someday. Scary.

 

I have the cloak and everything still reveals me so I changed it out for displacement

 

You could think of a club as a blackjack, most useful weapon in the game Thief.

 

Invisibility can still be dispelled and seen through even with the cloak. I've never had anything see a stealthed character (either ranger or thief) using the cloak -- unless the stealth fails.

 

I thought it had something to do with the level of the mage casting True Sight?

 

True Sight is an on/off spell. Either you're in range when it pulses or you're not.

Stealth is not the same thing as Invisibility, although they do have a lot in common. Cloak of Non-Detection is SUPPOSED to (?) protect against all methods of invisibility removal, but True Sight et al punch right through it. Except if you're Stealthed, then you remain Stealthed.

The only ways to detect such a character is by the Stealth failing or having an ability to see right through all forms of invisibility (ie. most above average boss monsters, either innately or via scripted abilities.)

 

Thanks Sir Rechet, I never thought it worked that well. Not just me then.

But perhaps it would be overpowered if it did. Equip an item and your invisibility can never be dispelled, ever.

 

While not as bullet-proof, using Invisibility together with Spell Immunity: Divination pretty much does the same thing. But having THAT from a single item would be hugely overpowered. I'm guesstimating that's why they nerfed the cloak.

Also, it DOES give thieves something that can't be mimicked by other means.