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All good party

Discussion in 'Baldur's Gate (Classic)' started by Aldeth the Foppish Idiot, Dec 23, 2003.

  1. Aldeth the Foppish Idiot

    Aldeth the Foppish Idiot Armed with My Mallet O' Thinking Veteran

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    I have been planning (for a while) to start a BGII party playing all the most-rightous, good aligned characters I can get my hands on.

    The party I came up with was a PC paladin, Keldorn, Mazzy, Imoen, Anomen, and Aerie.

    I was thinking of starting on BG1, and starting that theme there, before going into BG2. As I'm sure everyone is aware, there a FAR MORE NPC's to choose from in BG1 than BG2.

    So, I'm asking what is the most good-aligned party we can come up with in BG1?

    Obviously, I'll have my PC paladin, and Adjantis seems a natural add-on, and Imoen always qualifies, but after that, it gets a little bit more difficult.

    Of the other good NPC's, I suppose we have the following options: Minsc, Khalid, Kivan, Coran, Yeslick, Dynahier, and Alora. I'm sure I'm forgetting at least one, but there are so many NPC's, it's not easy to remember all of them.

    One early fault I can see with this party is that there are no good-aligned clerics in the game other than Yeslick, and he's not available until you hit Cloakwood.

    What are other people's thoughts and selections?
     
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    You could always take Viconia and slap the Helm of Alternate Alignment on her, though I can't remember where you pick that up, exactly.

    Is Branwen Neutral? I could've sworn she was neutral good.

    Anyhoo, here's my lineup:

    PC: Cleric, Ranger/Cleric or Fighter/Cleric (why have 2 Paladins?)
    Ajantis
    Imoen
    Kivan
    Minsc
    Dynahier

    Later on, I would swap either Kivan or Imoen for Coran, because he just kicks ass. You're probably roleplaying, hence Imoen isn't going anywhere.

    Just my initial idea anyway. The beauty part of BG1 is that there are so many NPC's you can switch things up during the game. This is the party I would start out with, at least.
     
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    I always play through BG before tackling BGII. I noticed that for continuity between your transfers you at least need the following party:

    You (off course)
    Imoen
    Jaheira
    Khalid

    Minsc is a good addition but not necessary for story purpose (they gave him better text concerning this than Jaheira).

    On the other hand, if you don't care about continuity and just want to obey your theme then this is my take:

    Ajantis: off course
    Dynaheir: your only option (except dual-classing Immy)
    Yeslick: again your only option (so make haste to through the game to get him)
    Imoen: very good choice and is obliged for reasons only known to BGII players
    Khalid: I'd take him but since you're good and a paladin there is no way you can justify not taking Jaheira, which doesn't fit your party theme (except that Harpers are supposed to be on the good side), so I suppose Khalid is excluded. If you do take him I propose you include Jaheira in you BGII party
    Minsc: solid fighter who is bound to the presence of Dynaheir (except if you never talk to him in Naskel of don't accept his quest, which a good party never would do)
    Alora: probably not
    Coran: good character but only take if Immy duals because he isn't all that noble
    Kivan: very good choice, fits in a good party since his motives are to eliminate the bandits

    Conclusion: if not story continuity then you,Ajantis,Dynaheir,Imoen,Minsc, Kivan. Otherwise replace Dynaheir and Minsc by Khalid and Jaheira and dual Immy.
     
  4. Aldeth the Foppish Idiot

    Aldeth the Foppish Idiot Armed with My Mallet O' Thinking Veteran

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    Well, I'm not too concerned with continuity between BGI and BGII. I view the whole "assumed party" in BGII rather contrived. They assume that you finished the game with: Imoen, Jaheira, Khalid, Minsc, and Dynaheir. Not that I have a problem with that setup, mind you - it's a reasonable party - but there are so many NPC's that only a small number of people actually finish the game with that group. For me, I doubt I ever had that exact combination at the end of the game. So, since the theory is to make an all-good party, I'll not take Jaheira or Khalid. (I refuse to leave Jaheira in a building or have some "accident" befall her to take Khalid.)
     
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    Despite Bioware having to adhere nominally to Druids being True Neutral, this expert will get his word in ...

    Lady Jaheira's true alignment is Neutral Good. Her and Khalid would cut it. And I know you've said as much in your NPC guide. ;)
     
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    @Death Rabbit - I think you mean the Helmet of Opposite Alignment, however, I have no idea either where it is.

    My party suggestion: Conjurer PC (or if you need cleric anyway, a Cleric/Conjurer), Imoen, Minsc, Dynaheir, Kivan, Ajantis. Kivan is also a very good archer, and powerful enemy of any ogre. I prefer him to Coran.

    [ December 30, 2003, 21:39: Message edited by: Baronius ]
     
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    If you want a strong all good party your PC must be a mage because the only good mage, Dynaheir, stinks.
    Invoker is the worst class for a mage because no charm magic or summon magic. Those are two of the most important magic schools. :(

    My current party is probably the best good party skipping the "pairs", except you would have to sub for Branwen:

    PC Mage(9) Dualed from a Fighter(7)
    Ajantis
    Kivan
    Yeslick
    Coran
    Branwen

    I took Branwen because there was no good pure Cleric and I wanted to test the Turn Undead skill up to level 8 in BG1.


    If you must have all Good then drop Branwen and take Khalid and you'll have to kill off Jaheira. :whoa:
     
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    Baronius Mental harmony dispels the darkness ★ SPS Account Holder Veteran

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    You mean a pure mage? If yes, it is okay in my opinion, because it can use all types of spells and IDENTIFY. However, I prefer Conjurer too, because it can use all good spells except Divination, and has bonus slots. The only Divination spell that is constantly used is Identify. And if your wizard cannot identify, it might be problem only in the early stage of the game (little money). Later, when having more money and Bards have high lore too, it is not a problem. (There were a thread about the best mage specialist class a few months ago)
     
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    Well I should never say "must" because this game has so many possibilities. I often forget about dualing Imoen because I never do in BG1.

    When I make my PC and I want a non-fighting class (mage/cleric/thief/etc...) I always dual from a level 7 fighter. The extra weapon proficiencies and having more than 1 attack per round makes all the difference. My Mage can help out in Melee for a change. That +3 staff packs a wallop!
     
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    Not necessarily true, all depends on playing style. First, not being able to charm, is nnot really a problem for everybody, for example, I still have to cast my first charm spell in all the hours I've played D&D CRPGs. Second, the best summoning spell in my opinion is Animate Dead, which is a Necromancy spell so Dynaheir can cast it and she can use the wand of summoning until she is high enough in level to cast it or let it be cast by the cleric so she can unleash more damage spells, the only thing a mage in BGI has to do IMHO (except for casting of protection from petrification :D ).
     
  11. Aldeth the Foppish Idiot

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    @ Beren

    I agree that I stated in my NPC guide that Jaheira acts more like she's neutral good than true neutral. But that's in BG2. In BG1 she is much closer to True Neutral.
     
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    So true...

    Since I've only taken one mage along (Dynaheir in my first game) and my PC in this current game I need them to be able to cast summon monsters. It's such a srong spell in BG1!
     
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