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Darn George Bush!

Discussion in 'Alley of Lingering Sighs' started by Hacken Slash, Nov 16, 2004.

  1. Hacken Slash

    Hacken Slash OK... can you see me now?

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    [​IMG] How dare he upset the sterotype of his Administration being Sexist, Bigoted, Racist and Facist by appointing an African-American woman to be the highest diplomat on the planet.

    Curses...this, along with the smoothness of the Falluja operation make it a darn hard season for Bush bashing.

    Good thing it's still Lawn Dart season.
     
  2. Taluntain

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    You have to be kidding... she didn't get the position because she's African-American, but because she's more than qualified for it. And if the Bush administration's sins were limited to "only" sexism, bigotry, racism and fascism, there'd hardly be any cause for anyone outside the US to complain.

    And "smoothness of the Falluja operation"? After the Americans have had the whole sector cornered and isolated for months prior? Good one. Not. :rolleyes:
     
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    Yeah, considering the military operations in Iraq were considered over in the spring of 2003, that Falluja trifle was reaaaaal smooth.

    Mission Accomplished! yah!

    I don't think the Condoleza Rice issue is anything to get excited about... she's just replacing another African Amercian woman after all.
     
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    ...and a hispanic to be the top lawyer. What is this nation coming to. :p

    Hey Choke: them's fightin' words -- don't be messin' with the General....
     
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    Condi is one of the most waspish people I have ever seen in power, heck she is like the abominable result of a mix between the ultra neo-cons and the extreme wasps. Do not be fooled by her appearance, it is nothing but camoflage.
     
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    ....wtf? How can a black woman be WASPish?

    *confuzzled*
     
  7. Hacken Slash

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    Oh, I get it...in order to be a genuine African-American woman she needs to be a single welfare mother from Harlem.

    Right.

    Do y'all get like these nasty raging sores if you admit that Bush did something good?

    Tammy Bruce was right about Liberals.
     
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    No, not all of us, just two or three of us.

    As for me, I don't know anything about this woman other than that she has a very unusual first name that must have been misspelt and mispronounced a million times as a kid.
     
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    Rice's ethnicity is of no conseqence, my point was that she is a super-right-wing hawk in the same school as Rumsfeld. Not reasonably rational person like for instance Powell.

    With calling her waspish I meant her values and opinions, her mindset. To put it bluntly, she is a white middle aged man in the guise of a black woman, which is kinda obvious cause otherwise she would never have reached these heights in our male dominated society.
     
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    Condi vs. Clinton in 2008. Now that would be interesting.
     
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    How about a moderate Republican State Governor and Condi as the VeeP. Then Condi can run in 2016 (assuming a 2 term President), she would only be 66 years old!

    That would be a kick ass ticket.

    Sorry, I'm :yot:
     
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    Yeah, and Clarence Thomas will probably be Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

    Funny, though, that 90% of African-American voters voted for Kerry.

    Somehow, the message of Republican inclusiveness doesn't seem to be getting out there. Wonder why?

    And yes, before you complain that this comes from an exit poll, note how this particular poll shows an even larger spread between Bush and Kerry (52% vs 47%) than the final tally (51% vs 48%).
     
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    looks to me like bush is simply appointing a cabinet of people who agree with him.
     
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    What did he do that was good?

    Edit: Question regarding Fallujah: Now that the US has retaken control of the city, do we get to watch Bush fly onto an aircraft carrier and hop out in a bumble-bee suit and declare, "Mission Accomplished?!"

    Because, he did that last time, and if he really wants to be seen as a President that, "stays the course," I feel we should get another aircraft carrier landing with a bumble-bee suit.

    Edit 2: Wait, that was a hot-air ballon he jumped out of, right?
     
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    @ Hack:

    I never said Bush's administration was sexist or racist - I think that's one of those ex-agg-er-ations. Condi's appointment to the SoS position (no pun intended) is not a reflection of enlightened appointments so much as it is Bush appointing his faithful to higher offices. Not that I'll blame him for that, of course - it happens everywhere - but trading Colin for Condi as Secretary of State suggests that the value of diplomacy is depreciating under this administration.

    Of course, even if I accept your argument, it doesn't address the question of why Colin Powell resigned. Care to answer that?

    @ Darkwolf:

    Mate... from what I've seen of soon-to-be Secretary Rice, I sincerely hope you're just fishing for a response with that one about 2016.
     
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    Okay, is it just me, or from now on, are USA going to loose their last allies in Europe and most in the other parts of the world during this term? I mean, Powell did his best to keep USA to not leave the rest of the world too much, but Rice will put all that down the drain.

    Is it just me, or do you other see a pattern in people leaving right after the election? Hell, not even Bush's closest like him.
     
  17. Carcaroth

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    Just you Caleb, :p
    Unfortunately their is no chance of the Lib Dems getting into power in Britain come the general election in May (at the latest). Both the Tory's and Labour will continue to support Bush, no matter what he does.
     
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    Condi got the job in State because she will give Bush an easier second term without all the hassle to decide between two dissenting opinions. Her deputy will be neocon ultra-hawk "I don't do carrots" Bolton. With Condi obedience, conformity and convenience are guaranteed, and with Bolton rabies will become a ficture in US foreign policy adresses.

    Add Goss' cleansing of the CIA and you got what this "november massacre" is about: Purges.

    The realists in the CIA are being kicked out and the ones that stay will be intimidated enough to keep their traps shut.
    If we lived in a primitive age, the ground at Langley would be laid waste and salted, and there would be heads on spikes. That's what can be expected in State as well.

    The US administration branches shalt support the leader not with professional advice but with convenient clapping to his royal decrees.

    It is a measure of the stunning absence of accountability under Mr. Bush that it is Mr. Powell who leaves, while the architects of the failed and even disastrous policies he opposed, from postwar Iraq to Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib, remain in office.

    How about a good laugh: Checks and ballances on George W. Bush's actions in a republican controlled senate. :roll: :spin:

    [ November 17, 2004, 16:06: Message edited by: Ragusa ]
     
  19. chevalier

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    Well, Bush would lose much (read: even more) in my eyes, if he appointed Condi because of her sex or because of her ethnicity.

    Logically, appointing women because they're women is sexism. Appointing black people because they're black is racism. Can't be a sexist and fight sexism. Can't be a racist and fight racism.

    Conclusion: It's high time qualifications started to matter.

    However, Condi's qualifications are high enough to get her the job without compensation points.
     
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    NS,

    I am completely serious. Hillary Clinton, the smartest woman in American hardly... Condoleeza Rice

    As far as your question regarding why Powell left, when he took the position he said that he would not serve in a 2nd term, sounds like he kept his word.

    Caleb said:
    As you are not from the US I suppose a lack of knowledge regarding this issue is excusable. It is very common for the Presidential Cabinet to have a large turnover between a Presidents 1st and 2nd term.

    Now, before I get flamed, I am disappointed that Powell didn't stay on. I know that some of the Republican talking heads on AM radio are claiming this is a good thing, but I am in agreement with Chandos in his belief that Presidents should have advisors with differing opinions. As far as Ashcroft, I hope he doesn't let the door hit his mammary fearing ass on the way out. :wave:
     
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