Empirical Ambitions

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While searching for some other information, I ran across this article which links to This pdf document.

It does not bode well.

Here is the relevant body of the article.

I haven't read the document in question yet as I have to re-install Adobe Acrobat, but here is some other information from a seperate article.

Now I've never been to this site before, so I don't know how truthful or respectable the authors are, but if this is correct then it is chilling indeed.

 

I think that I've seen this story before, only it went a little different...

"What we gonna do t'night, Brain?"

"Same thing we do everynight, Pinky, try and take over the world!"

Yeah, I have seen it before...perhaps the author of the story used to write for Warner Brothers?

 

You think that's bad? Check out this link:

http://www.reseauvoltaire.net/IMG/pdf/bushregimedeck.pdf

You probably could've guessed, but yeah, not only do I agree with the article, but the faces in that card deck remind me just why I voted for Bush.

Don't think of it as five more years of Bush...think of it as five more years of his fifty-one neo-conservative cronies!

 

They decided to build a website instead:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

The taking over the world part is planned for Term II. If there is one.

 

Rumsfeld-Rice in 2008!

 

I dont know about that exact document but there have been many documents drawn up by the neo-cons speaking in "imperial" terms. It is not something they have really tried to hide, for these guys 9/11 was a true blessing, at last they could fulfill their dreams!

 

This is my vote for the most offensive quote I've seen in 2003.

Maybe I'm naive, but this board seems to be dominated by conspiracy nuts. Doesn't anyone go outside anymore. I highly recommend you all go see the movie "Sneakers". It is an old Robert Redford movie you will all love it.

I'm afraid to say more. I would hate to be Shralped.

 

Classy, joacqin, really classy. A low point, even for you.

BTW, you can probably bury the "neo-con" label that you (and others) keep affixing to Bush. By signing the prescription drug bill, Bush outed himself as a faux-conservative.

As far as the topic, I agree with the Snook, the conspiracy stuff is getting a little thick. Besides, don't you know, the whole world is run by a cabal of old European families.

Shralp me if you want.

 

@Great Snook & Jack

Unfortunately, Joacqin's comment is the truth.

Taken from here .

 

I see, because joacqin, BOC, and the guardian say something is true, then it must be. *cough* hubris *cough*

So tell me, is Santa real or not? Once you have answered the question, I will definately know the truth.

 

The original document is here . Satisfied now?

EDIT:
In case you believe that the above website has forged the document you can find it here as well, directly from PNAC's website.

[ December 19, 2003, 16:48: Message edited by: BOC ]

 

You guys seem to be confusing opinion with news. Just because an ultra-conservative group (PNAC) authored a document outlining a viewpoint toward the future of America, does not make it policy. The PNAC is typically regarded as a bunch of nuts by most Conservative Americans. The biggest stretch of all of this is that it was "prepared for" current members of the Administration. Return to the real world, please.

There are think tank groups that espouse political ideals ranging from Communism to Facism, but never do they dictate the policy of the US government. I am certain that within your own nations there are groups that represent all possible views of political thought...or is the US the only place where the right to hold and express opposing views is protected?

 

PNAC's principle of statement is signed by Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and someone called Jeb Bush, who I think is George Bush's brother. If you regarded them as a bunch of nuts why did you give them your vote?

 

Yes, I am satisfied. Satisfied that you didn't read the document. Satisfied that you took a quote that takes the Pearl Harbor comment out of context.

The WHOLE quote is:

The transformation that they are referring to is that of the military. Not "what was needed to assure US global power".

So from here, you connect the dots and come up with a conspiracy? Wow. Do you ever leave your house?

 

And if you were bothered to read just the next paragraph you would read this:

 

I take back my accusation that PNAC are a bunch of nuts...Ultra-Conservative yes, but nuts, no. I must have had them mixed up with some other PAC.

I agree with JF, that it looks like anyone who uses this document to purport a conspiracy theory, either did not read it or didn't understand it. Again, I remind you, this is "opinion", and I would rather see it expressed than suppressed. There is no direct link between this document and the Bush Whitehouse...if you can find one, post it.

Also, I never made any claim that Cheney et al did not support the "mission statement" of the PNAC, I merely said that to insinuate it was prepared for their use in the formation of policy is an illogical and improper stretch.

 

@BTA

This is from PNAC's statement of principles. If this isn't imperialism, then I don't know what imperialism is.

Also, since I was accused of being a consiracy theorist, let me clarify something. When I say that 9/11 was a blessing for these guys I don't mean that they have planned the attack. I mean that the attack was the deus ex macina, who helped them to speed up their plans.