Michael Jackson and Pedophiles

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Well, here's the questions: How come that most people(of the ones I've talked to) that thinks that pedophiles should be castrated or even killed for their crimes say things like; "Heh, Michael Jackson will sure deserve a couple of years in prison if he's guilty."

I don't know if it is the same for you, but almost all the time I discuss this with people, they say the same thing. Why? Is it because he's famous?


Disclaimer: This is an asumtation that Jackson is guilty.

 

No matter who they are, I think people should treat everybody the same. Kill them, castrate them, incarcerate them. One rule for them all I say. I think the conflict comes because people like his music, and many might have his albums. As such, he isn't the nameless pervert in a mac standing around a kid's park. It's easier to hate somebody if you don't know who they are.

 

Hang them.

 

ever heard of not guilty until proven ? Just because some people claim stuff, you can't go and hang a guy. We stopped doing that ever since the Dark Ages. Let a judge decide wheter he's guilty or not.

 

Keep in mind there was the disclaimer that we're assuming he's guilty (which is wrong, but just for the sake of conversation).

Actually, the worst thing you can do to pedophiles is put them in prison. The guys ther have a tendency to sort of sort pedophiles out. Ever see Oz?

 

Er, no. But I HAVE heard of 'Innocent until proven guilty'.

Actually we kept doing it right through the latter part of the twentieth century(less and less so but still...)!

Er...surely you mean JURY, not judge.

 

Well, I don't want to put pedophiles in prison, I want to put them on a long-term rehabilitation. Prion serves no good at all, they only take existing problems and makes them worse. Put a rapist in prison: Guess what he is gonna do, you got it right: rape!! Put a robber in prion: Gues what he is gonna do, you got it right again: rob!!


And yes, I have seen Oz. I have also seen Bad Girls and Prisoner, tow other prison-shows, but I don't support my statements with information I got from them.

 

Rehabilitation? Are you mad?

 

No he is not mad, he just agrees with EU on our punishment policy. Which is that the point of prisons is not to punish the prisoners it is to rehabilitate the prisoners to the society and get them to think about their deeds and feel regret (which I would say most of the prisoners feel).

If we talk about protecting our society then there are mental institutions where such cases are put and atleast here in Finland they stay there until they are healthy and so are no risk to the society.

EDIT: Weee 100:th post, and a new beutyful gem too.

 

You cannot rehabilitate a paedophile

 

Ah yes, here we have an expert on the subject, I am sure.

 

Sarevok, putting people in hot, sweaty cells and letting them rape eachothers is not a way to stop them from continue with their crimes when they get out. Giving them a healthy living in "jail" and learning them how to get back into society is a good way.

Could anyone give me a website with statistics on prisoners who "fall back" in different countries, because I am sure that the number is much lower in Sweden or any other rehabilitation nation than in USA or any other 'cruel and unusual( ) punishment' country.

 

Caleb, the idea is very nice but the truth is that there isnt a good way to deal with the problem of criminals. Just punishing them only serves to make them worse, rehabilitating perhaps works better than one sided punishment but it is by no means a perfect way. I have worked with many pedophiles for example and the best treatments currently in existance has a 33% fallback rate. That is not acceptable. We can debate all we want what to do with the "scum" of our society but the end result still is that whatever we do it is sure to be crap.

 

The punishment for crime should also be a preventative for further offending. I.e. cut a thief's hands off, cut a slanderer's tounge out, cut a pedophile's... you get the idea.

But rehab. is good too. However repeat offenders should most definately be punished. Isn't punishment a form of rehabilitation too? "If you do this, THIS will happen to you. Didn't like that did you? Well don't do what you did and it won't happen again."

 

The Catholic Church in America certainly believed they could. The results are very public.

 

You cannot rehabilitate paedophiles. You can say it all you want but let’s say your little sister gets sexually abused tomorrow by a paedophile, would you still think they should be rehabilitated and let back into society to **** up more innocent children’s lives before they have even began? I think not.

 

The Catholic Church has protected many of these mentally ill people, and it inevitably is resulting in more children being hurt. I have no problem with trying to re-habilitate non-violent child molesters, but just like an alcoholic, they can never, ever, be trusted. They should have to wear that badge for the rest of their lives (i.e., public documentation as to where they live and work).

For those violent to children, well, prison inmates have ways of taking care of those who sexually abuse children.

 

Darkwolf all sex offenders are listed.I can't recall the sight offhand but you can find out if there are any offenders livving in your town whenever you want.

 

Here in MA you can only find out about certain levels of sex offenders and you have to go to the police department to find out. Our courts have been grappling with this issue for years.

 

Dorion,

I didn't say they weren't. As a matter of fact, before I bought my house, I checked the registry in my state. The only problem is, like all things the gov't oversees, the lists are outdated and inacurate.