POLL: Cloning ... Has it Happened?!?

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According to a reliable souce (Fox News) the first human clone has been born.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,73987,00.html

So I'm wondering ... first of all, is this legit, or just a media hoax .... secondly, what the heck are they thinking?

So ... answer my two simple questions and chime in ... what do you think about the cloning of EVE?

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Poll Results: Cloning ... Has it Happened?!? (36 votes.)

Is this just a Hoax? (Choose 1)
* Yes - 58% (21)
* No - 42% (15)

Do you think cloning is Immoral and should be Illegal? (Choose 1)
* It is Immoral - 8% (3)
* It should be Illegal, but morally all things are relative - 22% (8)
* Both ... its Immoral and should be Illegal! - 31% (11)
* I think cloning is perfectly legitimate and should be considered legal and moral - 39% (14)

 

i have been always aganist cloning. People aren't developed enough to accept clones, human clones in particular.

There are issues to be settle before the human cloning experiement starts. And until that settles, we will be facing major problems if we move ahead before it. Most important of all is the defination of a human. What makes a human a human? Then is the line between human clone and 'real' human. Does a clone has a right to vote? Can a clone go to church and be converted? What is the use of a clone (after all human clone is a product)?

 

The big problem imo is that the long term studies on cloning haven't been concluded. The little girl could have a shortened life and an array of DNA problems for all they know.

Other than that, I see no problem with it. It is akin to having a twin born later and it isn't as if the baby will be any different from any other baby. A clone wouldn't be a monster, it isn't "another you" any more than identical twins are the same person -- heck, they would be less similar than an identical twin.

 

I see no real problems with it either as long as they have the proper medical and scientific knowledge to do it properly. A human is a human just because it uses the same genes as another human doesnt make it inhuman, heck it doesnt even make it into the same person as the human that originally had the genes. Basicly it is not really different from any other way of conception. But I do have some problem trying to figure out what is the benefit of cloning. Ok if they could genetically engineer the baby to its parents wishes so it wouldnt have any inheritaded disease or the like but what would be the gain of cloning someone? To clone geniouses to save them for the world? I doubt that would work as a human being seems to be more a product of its socialisation than its genes so even if you cloned Mozart it wouldnt be very likely that the person with those genes would grow up as music writer of his magnitude.

 

If life is a game, then cloning is cheating or powergaming.
It will make life boring and there must be a bug.

(I'm not sure if I agree with myself, but it's nice chat about for a while. )

I don't know if these people managed to clone a human baby, but I do know, that people thinking humans are alien clones, are rather weird.
It's just my opinion. Please be gentle!

 

I just had someone tell me that you can't actually clone a female mammal yet, even "Dolly." So, that added to the dubious nature of the group and the fact that they've refused to make their procedure transparent = likely bunk.

 

I heard this story on the news and believe it is true. But I'm probably the most gullible guy in Holland.

I think cloning should be illegal if we are talking about making a whole new person.
However, I think that cloning body parts to attach them to people who have lost them should be legal.

 

I am against things like this. But we have to think about Eve, not for her. One day she'll wonder where she's from or something like that and what will they tell her? Aftera while will she be discarded? Perhaps they'll wait until she's died to perform experiments - maybe they'll do tests to see if she is like a normal person. She may be able to live a normal person.

I am worried about cloning as they are trying to make something perfect - this can be argued in that nothing is perfect and they are making nothing and it's worthless. Which it isn't.

With clones they'll try and remove all the disablities our race has, but what for the few that do have problems? Already treated with less respect and taunted now what if there is *one* in all of them - if it is a clone it will probably be killed and if it was a naturally born human then it would probably be shunned. I think things should be allowed to play themselves out without someone coming along every so often and rearranging the pieces to be biased

 

Cloning will eventually lead to evil; whether by clone armies, dopplegangers or whatnot.

And now it's not science fiction or fantasy anymore. Be afraid.

 

Look, cloning is a major step for medicine. I think that if this technology is well developed we can have great things, such as no need for organ donners. I mean cloning is a great technology and should be used. But the right way to do it is to create regulations now, while it is only begining to avoid any problems later.

 

So, you would kill your possible twin and keep his/her organs in case you need those? Geez...

Look, I've seen you're giving Amelie away, please take some time to watch that movie. Perhaps you don't feel that way about human clones after watching it.

 

Most of the people I talk to who are against cloning express fear masked by moral/religious outrage. By questioning them more, I have come to the conclusion is that most people who are against cloning are afraid of one thing: that they will not be unique or themselves any longer.

My nephew is a good example. He says that he doesn't want another 'him' running around. Who would be the 'real him'. I counter this with the 'what if your were born identical twins' argument, but he accepts that, because that would have been 'natural'.

Many people don't stop to think about it, but you are defined by what is in your brain as well as the meat that surrounds it. Just becuase there is someone who looks like a younger version of you (because physically, he is) doesn't mean he is you. The two of you will have different experiences.

And lastly, let us not forget that the world was going to end in evil due to the eclipse, the telephone, make-up, rock music and a million other things too.

 

Sure Cloning may be acceptable - but clonging for the sake of it is just stupid. If there was another me I wish them luck - You can't clone thoughts and memories.

If they cloned someone fully grown they would be too old to experience thing - it wouldn't be fair

 

I doubt this story is true.

I studied the sect (the realians) last year and I honestly believe that they're so into their UFO theories that they would fake all of this.

But if they don't succeed someone else will. An Italian scientist has announced that he expects his 'clone' to be born somewhere in January. so we'll have to deal with it anyway.

The cloning itself is of course a delicate issue and also potentially dangerous. (imagine hundreds of cloned Hitlers).

Of course there are major moral and ethical problems and some of them are indeed not easy to solve eg.what 8people said about the people that would be killed and taunted if they aren't perfect.
Also the gap between the rich and the poor will become even bigger, because cloning is expensive and will only be available for the rich who can pay for it.

However I am not against it. the human race evolves and has been using the process of natural selection to improve the race. Cloning is just a more extreme form of that natural selection, a form that can be directly controlled by humans.

[ December 28, 2002, 22:33: Message edited by: Uytuun ]

 

Cloning body parts is ok, but cloning an entire human, what's the point? It isn't the same person, it's an individual with its own thoughts and feelings.

 

And of course soon the military mights of the world will jump on this and make it into something to kill. Just a random thought of why cloning might be getting pushed to the whole human thing.

 

I feel that cloning should either be banned or VERY heavily regulated, at least for the time being. Now let me say that a clone would be a human being, after all, there's no argument that identical twins are human, and they have more in common with each other then any clone could ever have, having shared the womb and grown up together. A person is more then just their genetic code. I just feel that, as with all new technologies, the potential for danger is great. And more research certainly needs to be done, especially before they start cloning people. We also need to ask ourselves WHY we want to do this. I hope that this makes sense. By the way, I think the story's a hoax.

[ December 29, 2002, 01:50: Message edited by: Kam ]

 

this is as far as I know, still impossible. Nor do I see how this ever will be possible to do.

I did a project in english about that sect, and it is very real indeed. I think if privately sponsored, there is no law against it in US where I believe they have this taking place.

And please, the military wouldn't be able to afford cloning soldiers. Last I checked, it cost around a million US dollars to get a clone (from some random company), now that's a high price to pay for 1 foot soldier.
Cloning in essence, isn't worth the money. Cloning organs on teh other hand, may be useful.

On the topic of cloning, there are two things that people need to keep apart.

Cloning is one thing, genetic engineering and manipulation is another. (in case of super humans, military bred people etc etc)