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Slavery in the USA?

Discussion in 'Alley of Dangerous Angles' started by Nakia, May 21, 2007.

  1. Nakia

    Nakia The night is mine Distinguished Member ★ SPS Account Holder Adored Veteran Pillars of Eternity SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) Torment: Tides of Numenera SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) BoM XenForo Migration Contributor [2015] (for helping support the migration to new forum software!)

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    In checking out another topic I ran across this story. Nothing new about it but I think people tend to ignore it or forget about it.

    Slavery
     
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    i havent heard of direct slavery in normal jobs in denmark, they tend to be pretty controlled by both the goverment and the unions, but sexslaves seems to be a massive problem, both in Denmark and in other European countries (and probably most of the world)
     
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    I didn't realize slaves where actually still being brought into work on any significant scale (I'm aware it happens from time to time as such a story occasionally breaks the news). I'm well aware of the Latin American and Eastern European women... no, girls who are typically brought in through the southwest to function as sex slaves. The sex slave trade gets more publicity, but sadly still not enough to get the attention it needs.

    Well I suppose nothing is too low for American Business. Ever chasing the dollar I see.

    EDIT: Do illegal immigrants who are paid next to nothing and treated terribly count towards slavery?
     
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    This sort of stuff happens throughout Europe in different forms. A few days back I read an article about North Korean workforce being used in Czech Republic for very low salary, and there were also allegations about most of that salary actually being paid to the government of North Korea!

    In Finland construction companies are known to have used workforce from Eastern Europe to work for much less money than Finnish worker would recieve. I would assume that these sort of "arrangements" are quite usual throughout Europe.
     
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    I don't think so because they are at least in theory here of their own choice. One of our lawyers might know the answer to that.
     
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    Well, in some cases they've indentured themselves to the people smugglers - they have to work to 'repay the costs' of bringing them to a 'land of opportunity'. Frickin' con artists - go take up politics like your more 'upstanding' peers and cause everyone more minor misfortune instead of tricking these poor people into sweatshops.

    When they're locked in the building that they're working in and basically guarded while they work, and threatened into not speaking up about their treatment, yes, I'd say that they're effectively slaves. The bonds they have are merely in the mind instead of on the wrists or ankles or neck. :grr:

    Beat a dog enough times, and you can walk it without a leash. :nolike:
     
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    The problem is that compagnies that pays lower wages to immigrant for a same job can protect themselves of slavery criticism by saying they actually pay the workers. And afaik that's legal. Though an more informed person on the law could shed some light there.

    It is also notorious that there is an extremly lucrative market of sex slave. There's even website that potential buyers may for a fee receive immigration papers to bring the woman to one's country. These women are thought that if they marry someone of a western country they'll free themselves of misery but in fact they basicly become sex slaves. Governments and authorities doesn't do anything about this situation. I find this especially reprehensible since this activity is highly unlawfull and immoral.
     
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    Assuming that they are paying them at least the federal minimum ($5.15 per hour in the US), then yes, it's legal in regard to the pay. Unfortunately, for illegal immigrants, most aren't paid the federal minimum, and it's illegal to hire an illegal immigrant anyway, so the hire, regardless of the pay, is illegal. Prostitution is illegal everywhere in the US except Nevada, so anyone working in the sex industry - whether as sex slave or not - is also illegal. So saying they can get around it by paying them doesn't really wash, because the hiring was illegal, and in the case of prostitution, so is the industry.
     
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    No one said the traffic of woman was legal in the first place. It is completely illegal yet it's there. Authorities doesn't do much about it either.
     
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    I heared of well to do people in especially Hamburg having preferrably black house employees who are paid little, and whose passports are taken away, to ensure diligent work.... dependency. That's exploitation close enough to slavery. Disgusting.

    What's worst, is that they could afford standard wage servants. It's just that they are unwilling to pay, illegal is cheaper.

    I would love to see such people prosecuted for extortion, theft, and aiding in immigration violations and violations of workplace laws.
     
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    Interestingly, some of those "sex-slaves" don't view themselves as such, which only means that not all sex-selling women are slaves. Ever heard of escorts?
     
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    wordplay i never think i implied that all prostitutes or escortes was sexslaves. hell im for prostitution as long as its not forced, the fact is we still have both in denmark and in the rest of europe a huge problem with women being sold into slavery
     
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    Keep reading the newer posts in this thread, WP - we're not talking about them, but...

    - George Carlin, When Will Jesus Bring The Pork Chops?, p.229

    Italicized words denote...'editorial censoring'. (George can be a little blunt :) )
     
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    Wait, 6-year olds being recruited? Please don't tell me that they are actually prostituting at that age. I thought it was bad enough here (and it is), but at least it starts (afaik) around the age of 12. I wonder if the Lolita complex is more prevalent in that part of the world :confused:
     
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    welcome to the real world pacman. childprostitution is huge in thailand.
     
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