1. SPS Accounts:
    Do you find yourself coming back time after time? Do you appreciate the ongoing hard work to keep this community focused and successful in its mission? Please consider supporting us by upgrading to an SPS Account. Besides the warm and fuzzy feeling that comes from supporting a good cause, you'll also get a significant number of ever-expanding perks and benefits on the site and the forums. Click here to find out more.
    Dismiss Notice
Dismiss Notice
You are currently viewing Boards o' Magick as a guest, but you can register an account here. Registration is fast, easy and free. Once registered you will have access to search the forums, create and respond to threads, PM other members, upload screenshots and access many other features unavailable to guests.

BoM cultivates a friendly and welcoming atmosphere. We have been aiming for quality over quantity with our forums from their inception, and believe that this distinction is truly tangible and valued by our members. We'd love to have you join us today!

(If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us. If you've forgotten your username or password, click here.)

The Bush Crew, Amnesty International and Double Standards

Discussion in 'Alley of Lingering Sighs' started by Ragusa, Jun 9, 2005.

  1. Ragusa

    Ragusa Eternal Halfling Paladin Veteran

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2000
    Messages:
    10,140
    Media:
    63
    Likes Received:
    250
    Gender:
    Male
    [​IMG] Atm the U.S. administration is, in a concerted effort, referring to the recent Amnesty International report as 'absurd'.

    I find that questionable, to say the least.

    Ironically, at the time of the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003, top Bush administration officials were regularly citing Amnesty International's human rights reports as evidence of the perfidy of Saddam Hussein's regime. For example, in reference to the Iraqi government, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld asserted that "We know that it's a repressive regime" as a result of reports by Amnesty International and other human rights organizations "about how the regime of Saddam Hussein treats his people." Rumsfeld added that a "careful reading" of Amnesty International's reports documents "the viciousness of that regime."

    As it seems, it is one thing to criticize human rights abuses by foreign governments the Bush administration seeks to overthrow, and it is quite another thing to criticize human rights abuses by the United States itself - that is then commented as stupid, naive little AI getting 'duped by U.S. enemies'. Sure thing.

    The influence that Amnesty International has been able to wield over the years in advancing the cause of human rights has never come from the backing of governments or political parties, but from the support of concerned individuals from around the world.

    That is, AI will be there when the Bush administration is long gone, as it was when they came into office.

    :flaming: But the Bush administration's smug hypochrisy, or rather brazen dishonesty, is pissing me off anyway. :flaming:
     
  2. T2Bruno

    T2Bruno The only source of knowledge is experience Distinguished Member ★ SPS Account Holder Adored Veteran New Server Contributor [2012] (for helping Sorcerer's Place lease a new, more powerful server!) Torment: Tides of Numenera SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!)

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2004
    Messages:
    9,770
    Media:
    15
    Likes Received:
    440
    Gender:
    Male
    You're arguement would be stronger if you used a reference a little more neutral than antiwar.com.

    AI is an excellent organization, but can go a little overboard at times. Their effectiveness comes from their going out on a limb and painting everything in the worst possible light. 'Careful reading' is always recommended when looking over AI reports....

    Edit: corrected a assault from the department of redundancy department
     
  3. Cernak Gems: 12/31
    Latest gem: Moonstone


    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2004
    Messages:
    457
    Likes Received:
    3
    Earlier this week "The Daily Show"--not an unbiased source, of course--ran video clips of Bush, Rumsfeld, etc., denouncing AI and followed it with clips of the same people praising AI two years ago, just as Ragusa says, unless you want to argue that the tapes were doctored. I believe that Guantanamo will be a scandal that far eclipses Al Ghairab when it finally spills down the chute, as it eventually will. People with nothing to hide don't work so hard at hiding it.
     
  4. Bion Gems: 21/31
    Latest gem: Pearl


    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2004
    Messages:
    1,356
    Likes Received:
    2
    I still like the episode of Fox's (natch) right-wing fantasy terrorism show '24' where a lawyer from 'Amnesty Global,' under the pay of the terrorists (natch), prevents the good guys from 'interrogating' a terrorist suspect under heavily time-sensitive conditions (of course, the good guy then goes out as a 'civilian' and breaks all the bad guy's fingers until he spills the info, thus saving the day and proving once again how useful torture is in the war on terror).
     
  5. Gnarfflinger

    Gnarfflinger Wiseguy in Training

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2004
    Messages:
    5,423
    Likes Received:
    30
    So the government needs these "Rogue Individuals" to actually protect the people, while being able to claim to support groups like AI?
     
  6. Ragusa

    Ragusa Eternal Halfling Paladin Veteran

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2000
    Messages:
    10,140
    Media:
    63
    Likes Received:
    250
    Gender:
    Male
    T2Bruno,
    antiwar.com only displayed that article from Inter Press Services, an news agency, after all they provide both news compilation and commentary.

    The article also ran under "Jailhouse Rock". I was aware of that but to lazy to search that other link.
     
  7. The Shaman Gems: 28/31
    Latest gem: Star Sapphire


    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2004
    Messages:
    2,831
    Likes Received:
    54
    AI is an organization that aims to uncover the deepest s..t in every situation, regardless of what it thinks about the country in general, imo - a laudable attitude, although it tends to bring them quite a few enemies. Still, I consider them fairly neutral, and the ranting against them quite hypocritical.
     
Sorcerer's Place is a project run entirely by fans and for fans. Maintaining Sorcerer's Place and a stable environment for all our hosted sites requires a substantial amount of our time and funds on a regular basis, so please consider supporting us to keep the site up & running smoothly. Thank you!

Sorcerers.net is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to products on amazon.com, amazon.ca and amazon.co.uk. Amazon and the Amazon logo are trademarks of Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates.