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Greetings and salutations from one of the remaining conservatives here. Since most of my brethren have decided to move on, I wanted to thank all of you who prefer debate to be one sided. Now, you can get together, slap each other on the back and agree without any interference.

Novel form of debate, that!

To think, all it would have taken to preserve real debate was toning down the rhetoric. For instance, not stating that I have the heart of a killer (especially since it is well known to the long time posters, including the person who made the statement, that my brother was murdered).

I agree with Laches, there is a lack of respect here.

Well, you've got your club, enjoy it.

Let the flames begin!

 

What is your definition of a 'conservative'?

 

Sweet, boy, wonderful boy, now I know why tigers eat their young.

If only people were so worried about symantics when Ragusa posts.

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[ March 18, 2004, 17:03: Message edited by: Jack Funk ]

 

I wouldn't necessarily say that. Darkwolf is back (well, kind of), Snookie, Hackenslash, and Grey don't appear to be going anywhere. Shralp will never be really "gone." BTA leans fairly right as well. But you're right - the rhetoric here does get a bit...shall we say, "salty" at times.

Bear in mind the polarizing culture of American politics at the moment, and the immense international distrust in the Bush administration (as we are a very international crowd) to this as well. Disliking Bush doesn't really make one a liberal (though it helps!).

I think distaste for the Bush administration trumps Liberalism, hands down IMO. If Clinton were still president, and he was pissing off the world the same way Bush and Co. are, I don't think you'd be calling SP the "Conservative Club" because of all the rants about Clinton that would appear here. Myself included, as it's not the ideology I can't stomach, it's the conduct, practices and policies.

Do you think that's a fair assertion, Jack?

 

Well I took a school political party test, turns out I'm a conservative. But I always feel like a liberal, so...maybe I'm a moderate. Besides I just debate for the sake of debating.

 

For god's sake Jack..... Another "poor little me" post. Sorry, but these whining, poking fingers and "woe is me" posts are getting so tiring to read, it's actually getting quite pathetic. Why the hell can't everyone grow up and stop the WHINING??? If you don't like it here, LEAVE. If you like it here, but just don't like the types of debate in the AoDA, FIND ANOTHER FORUM. I'd say you made your point before, why continue with posts like this? Are you THAT starved for attention?

 

I second spellbound, but more of a nice approach.

 

Well, the fact that this board is leaning heavily to the left (with American standards) isnt very surprising. There are many Europeans here. As I have said before without much sucess so is the European political scene more divided between socialist and conservative/liberal blocks, thats right, liberals and conservatives have here joined forces against the socialists. This means, amongst other things that by European standards what is considered "left" or liberal in the US is shared by most parties even those on the right side of the European scale. The democratic party would in Europe be a right-wing allied with the conservatives. Thus almost all Europeans, even if they are leaning to the right by their standards are quite far to the left by American standards. In Europe the schism is more between liberalism and socialism than between liberalism and conservatism, with the European conservative being more or less pushed to the side as they dont have enough popular support to stand on their own. Conservatives as the American republican party exists here but they are a small percentage most of the time and tends to stick to the back of the liberals.

Now the point of this rant was that as this is an international board, with many Europeans, and that Europeans are by American standards "liberal" or "left" by default as the schism here is between socialism and liberalism it is not strange that a conservative American feels isolated. I know however that many of us Europeans (not I though) identifies themselves as right leaning, heck even a tad conservative but the standards are so different that even those appear to a conservative American to be far left-wing nutcase. One of the conservative Americans most ardent opponents here on the boards are according to himself and by European standards quite far to the right.

 

Sorry....I don't mean to be harsh...I'm just fed up with reading this kind of stuff every time I look in a forum lately. It's getting really old.