UK government cracks down on violent porn

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After the muder of an Englishwoman by a friend addicted to violent porn, the British government has decided to crack down on violent porn. Sites on servers under British jurisdiction can be removed but there is still the problem of those located abroad. Therefore, the Home Office, has resolved to make possessing and even viewing violent porn material illegal. Here's the beginning of the article at BBC:

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Many freedom activists will claim that restricting the viewing pleasures in such a way is intrusive. Perhaps some will even believe that closing down violent porn servers is already so. On the other hand, people will blame violent porn for all sex crimes and for this reason opt for total eradication. Where is the truth?

I believe it's somewhere in the middle. Guns don't kill people. Remember? The other side of the coin is that you can't shoot anyone without a gun. There are many fans of violent porn who don't commit sex crimes. But violent porn is not information, objective relation of reality. It exists for a reason and that reason is getting off on elements of violence and de facto non-consent in sex. How normal is this? In my view, people who develop fondness of such things need professional aid and not freedom to indulge in their new hobby and further to develop the addiction until it corrupts their will. What's your opinion?

Additional read:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/berkshire/4247649.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3459755.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/southern_counties/3455327.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/southern_counties/4493377.stm

 

I was amazed that rape porn is legal in the US, I mean people in the US went crazy over Janet Jackson 'accidently' exposing herself!

I do agree with this recent ruling, and I think porn with women that look like young girls should also be banned, but this is of course against 'freedom of speech'

 

Well I don't really know... There are a LOT of people around who have a thing for bondage/submission/domination/sadism/masocism etc. I would not say that it's normal but I'm not sure if they need professional help as long as they don't force their preferences on others. Most people can still handle their urges and not go raping people even if they had some fetishes which are not acceptable to many in the society. And personally I don't see what right the society has to poke on people's sexual habits. If there are actual rapes or child pornography involved the matter becomes different of course since there are actual victims involved.

 

If someone gets their jollies from watching violent porn (I'm assuming it is all scripted) then I say "good for them". It isn't any of my or anyone else's business what turns them on.

This is assuming that it is all fake. If people are filiming actual rapes or other crimes for a profit; I would have to assume that should be illegal also.

 

Even if it is all fake, even if the participants are volontary actors, there's still a problem with this. The porn industry is inexplicably tied with other industries which you unwittingly support...kiddie porn, money laundering, drugs. Support one...support them all.

 

Morgoroth bondage is much different than rape. While a couple can enjoy bondage, getting off to images of women/children is just plain wrong, even if its not real.

 

I think that is quite a stretch. You could make the same arguement for almost anything that it "might" support a criminal activity.

 

Well I'm opposed to all kinds of child pornography. And even with actors/actresses over 18 pretending to be children I think it should be illegal.

Now about porn with rape scenes. They create an illusion of rape yes but if they are to be legal they must make damn sure that the whole thing is acted. I'm not willing to ban it because I find nothing wrong with it in itself. To me it's perfectly same as films with very real-like violence. Of course I find such videos distasteful and would not wish to look at any, but if someone does it's not really my place to judge, he is not harming anyone nor has anyone been harmed in the making of that film. To most that violent pornography is just to stimulate a fantasy anyway and I've had many kinds of fantasies too but I would not want to try most of them for real.

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Agreed. Tourism being one of the big things. Earlier in this centry travelling to Estonia and buying alcohol from there or tobacco products would almost certainly end with part of the money going to the mob. The things have gotten a lot better there though.

 

We don't agree with censorship when it comes to porn, but we don't mind movies based on history, facts, mythology etc to be censored to make them more interesting

A good example is the movie Troy, Brad Pitts character Achilles should have been gay and not blonde, so this is censored to make it more acceptible to a foreign audience.

 

Lets see... Para 1: with adult actors pretending to be kids it should be illegal because sex with kids is illegal. But in para 2, actors who are not being coerced are pretending to be and the whole thing should be illegal, even if it pretends to be a crime (rape is illegal). I don't quite agree with the logic of this. What gives?

Same can be said about fake kiddie porn with adult actors.

Adult actors pretending to be kids aren't harmed, either...

@Cuchulainn: Achilles bickered with Agamemnon over captive women, favouring one over another basing on her attractivity. Perhaps bisexual but surely not homosexual.

 

Anybody who relies on Hollywood to understand history has other issues

Brad Pitt is bisexual? You heard it first hear at SP

 

Acting out rape is not illegal while acting out child pornography is illegal. There is the difference, or that is the difference in here.

It's possible to act out all kinds of violent fantasies with your partner, even rape. There are of course the odds that she/he refuses to do that but then you can try to look for another one who agrees to your fantasies or just stick with the porn and just do the normal things with your partner. In some this might cause violent bahviour and cause them to go and rape someone, but hey playing computer games with violence, looking at violent movies or just shooting with a gun can make you go out and shoot people so unless you're about to forbid all those then I think you're also having a paradox with your reasoning.

Sex with a child is quite difficult to act out with someone who ain't a child. Sure there might be woman who looks a bit young to her age but I'd say that it's near impossible to find someone who could be 10-year old child or so. Of course you could find someone who looks like a 14-year (16 years being the official legal age for sex in Finland) old or so but to me today the differences between a 16-year old and a 14-year old can be so insignificant that I'm not sure how that could be considered to be satisfying someone's pedofilic desires.

This is pretty much how I see it.

 

Sorry but you are dodging my question. I ask why acting out rape should be legal and acting out child porn shouldn't. You reply: because acting out rape is legal and acting out child porn isn't. That's quite rich.

 

In Finland child porn is a huge taboo. Anything related to it is illegal and there has been numerous animated cartoons and films that have been withdrawn from the market because of some if the material could be inteprented as child pornography. In some of these cases there has been overreactions but in most cases I find child pornography to be just plain wrong. Violent sex is okay because there are many people who enjoy it that way. It's a taboo too to a certain extent but not nearly as big as child pornography. To me anything involving minors and sex is something that should be illegal, simply because I don't think that's a healthy fantasy. I find violent sex to be pretty normal compared to fantazising about sex with children.

EDIT: Edited my post to be quoted to the part of your post that actually remains in this thread.

 

I agree with Morgoroth on this point. I think that these videos should be legal. I even think porn with actors/actresses pretending to be under 18 should be legal. Of course, all of this comes with the caveat that all that is being done is acting. I certainly don't think we should be putting actual child porn or rapes on the internet.

Of course, arguing that such a thing is anything other than acting is ridiculous anyway. At the very least, you need the consent of all parties involved to post anything on the internet. And I think the Son of Sam laws make it illegal to profit from a crime anyway. So to be clear, I'm stating that whether or not we are talking about fake child porn (meaning all parties at least 18 years of age) or fake rape scenes it should be legal.

Why do I say this? Because there are already outlets for someone with these types of fantasies to indulge their (admittedly perverse) desires. I have seen several movies with rape scenes. As far as actors/actresses pretending to be under 18, I can't tell you how many movies must fall into that category. The number must be in the hundreds. Of actors/actresses in their 20s portraying high schoolers and having sex. Why is it legal in the movies, but not legal on the internet?

 

Indeed, there are a few reasons why I'm a bit shakey about allowing adults acting as children in porn films. The first point is that it's better to have them jerk off with some films than have them make their fantasies a reality, the thoughts and fantasies in their head do not come from movies they allready exist there. The second is about drawing the line, at which point does it become child pornography. I'm sure I've seen several films which have been about children being abused by their parents/teatchers etc. that do not count as pornography but are still legal here, and should in my opinion remains so.

Anyway violent acted sex scenes should definently be legal, and that's a point where I'm very firm in my opinion.

This was perhaps a bit too extreme. As I said there should be a line and not just hiding the fact that sexual abuse of children or pedophilia does not exist. Where the line exactly should be drawn, I do not know.

 

Who watches rape and child porn anyway?
Whoever does has serious mental problems if you ask me. As a society we shouldn't be encouraging these kinds of sickos by making these kinds of videos legal and easily accessible.

It's wrong.

 

@Morgoroth: We aren't talking about physically exhausting sex or sex that involves pain. We're talking about sex that pretends to be non-consensual or even fake rape records. Is that a healthy fantasy? IMHO it's healthier for a young guy to jerk off on pics of barely adult actresses pretending to be 14 year old girls simply naked or in consensual situations, than to revel in visions of raping his peers.

@Barmy:

@Aldeth:

The situation is different. Those movies you mention have some other axis of action than highschoolers shagging like rabbits. It at least pretends to be some depiction of reality. Not like we need explicit sex scenes in movies. It's plain prostitution.

 

Sorry, but I can't resist.

[bold added] Given the context, that's really funny.

Have you ever seen some of these movies? If there is another axis of action, it's usually who's the next person their going to shag.

 

"It's a violent pornography
Choking chicks and sodomy
The kinda **** you get on your TV"

Taken right from the song "Violent Pornography" by "System of a Down". The song came to mind when I read this topic.

On this matter, I can say that I find any kind of violent pornography, rape or not, children or not, utterly disgusting. Isn't sexual intercourse something that is meant to be between to individuals in love? And you don't want to violent against your SO, would you(In fact, some "persons" may want to do that, but... you get it)? The point is, sex has changed from something nice to something not-so-nice, you may even call it bad.

Apparently, there are some people's minds I will never understand.....very surprising....