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DHS employee put on leave after wearing 'offensive' costume

Discussion in 'Alley of Dangerous Angles' started by Taluntain, Nov 8, 2007.

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  1. Splunge

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    So by your logic, a woman should be happy if a guy dresses up as a wife-beater. Or anyone should be happy if someone dresses up as a pedophile. Especially because of the creativity it would take to come up with a costume that says "wife beater" or "pedophile". I suppose you've dressed up as a rapist and wondered why people were offended.

    Hey, I can be outrageous too!
     
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    Well we could get into a discussion about who gets included in a census and who doesn't -- but I think my point was clear enough -- you don't have to be black to be poor. But, given your posted statistics, do you have a rationale as to why nearly 1/3 of those blacks in the census are indeed classified as "poor"?

    (I know we've deviated from the main thrust of this thread -- maybe it's worth another topic started?)
     
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    No, no, no, wifebeater is too easy and lame. Just put on some jockey shorts and a wifebeater shirt with a big beer gut and pizza stains down the front and say "Why do you make me hurt you?"... done! Now crack-whore... there we're talkin'!

    Now pedophile or rapist... not sure how you'd dress up as one and get it across, but if it got the message across without you having to tell everyone you came across what you were supposed to be, then yeah... cool!
     
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  4. Splunge

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    You obviously weren't at the last party I dressed up for. And it wasn't even a costume party!

    OK, like you said, we don't see eye to eye here. Go figure - another Alley example of "agree to disagree". :)
     
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    Woo, Mountain Hare is back*, baby! *nobody cares*

    Spellbound:
    No! In fact, a number of whites who suffer from the 'white guilt complex' would be congratulating the negro for making such a clear and concise statement about the oppressive white establishment.

    [*On probation. -Tal]
     
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    remember only whites can be racist. haven't you memorised your liberal handbook yet? as only whites have been in power, they are the only ones capable of oppressing others. therfore, no others can be racist!
    i , unfortunately, actually know people who believe this!

    amaster,spellbound specifically stated she was using the back hills of the carolinas as a basis for her observations & in the hills of carolina there are more poor whites & indians(sorry native americans) than blacks. however, just as she stated up in the hills, it doesn't matter if you are white, black, red, brown or yellow poor is poor.

    i know its been brought up in other threads before however just talk to blacks of a certain type & you will see the "whitey owes me" attitude at full bore.
     
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    People used to use black makeup all the time, who cares, its not like the employee was out to offend black people. It was a halloween costume. If people can't see the difference, then their loss.
     
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    There isn't one. Because if there is, I would have written it...but I'm working on it....
     
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    This a deliberate deflection. Poor is poor, but a disproportionately large number of minorities* are poor. This is significant, and not because it indicates that every major minority group has a culture of laziness and is unwilling to integrate into American society.

    *Every 'non-white' racial group identified in the census had a higher poverty rate than whites did.
     
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  10. Taluntain

    Taluntain Resident Alpha and Omega Staff Member ★ SPS Account Holder Resourceful Adored Veteran Pillars of Eternity SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) New Server Contributor [2012] (for helping Sorcerer's Place lease a new, more powerful server!) Torment: Tides of Numenera SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) BoM XenForo Migration Contributor [2015] (for helping support the migration to new forum software!)

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    [​IMG] But that's not really an excuse, is it? We all have our own share of problems, and unless we're wallowing in an endless supply of money, we mostly have a hard time dealing our problems as well.

    If I have a medical condition that will require life-long treatment, would I expect to get constant help from a healthy black family next door on account of that? Would I get it even if I did? No, on both counts, obviously.

    In my experience, it's very rare for someone to get all the breaks and someone else none whatsoever. Most of us have to work hard for whatever we want to achieve, as well as deal with a constant stream of problems in one shape or another. Expecting someone else to provide the good life and solve your problems for you doesn't happen any more for the average white Joe than the average black Joe.

    There's a good deal of poor white people everywhere too, and they don't expect the rich black people to come rushing to their aid. Heck, not even the rich white people do.

    And yes, we're going a little off-topic with this...
     
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  11. dmc

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    I think this is really an interesting side-conversation (maybe more interesting to me than the main thread. I'll open a new thread on the issue . . . here
     
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    AMaster:
    Does that include the Jews and the Chinese?
     
    Ghaldring, Nov 10, 2007
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  13. dmc

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    Jews aren't a racial group.
     
    dmc, Nov 11, 2007
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    dmc:
    Whether the Jews are a racial group is 'controversial', although all that stuff about Jew genes being conserved in the mtDNA sort of suggests that genetics plays an important role in determining 'Jewishness'
     
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  15. dmc

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    No, you really are missing the point. Being Jewish is primarily a religious issue, with a cultural subcontext, that is made more complex because Jews have been, throughout much of their history, very insular in whatever country the live. Jews can fall into several racial groups depending how expansive your definition is. If you look at the races that I learned in anthro 101, there are three: caucasoid, negroid and mongoloid. Under those three wide criteria, most Jews fit into the caucasoid category, as that includes middle easterners, europeans, etc. You'd have your converts and children of converts who could fit into one of the other two categories, as well as the Ethiopian Jews, but the majority would be caucasoid.

    If you define race on some other criteria (which mostly appears to be dividing the caucasoid category into many subcategories), then the Jews spread out farther, but so do most other groups.

    For example, I'm Jewish (meaning that my parents are Jewish, their parents are Jewish, etc. as far back as I know). I don't practice the religion but would still identify myself that way on a cultural basis. I'm also "white" and would not fall into any subcategory until you got to the level of something as silly as "white with ancestry primarily from Eastern Poland/Western Russia," which is just plain ridiculous.

    The bit with the genetics just covers the fact that the Jews have been a very insular group for most of their history and tended not to merge much with the general population around them, which goes back significantly farther than the diaspora from Spain in the 15th century. When a group is that insular, the genetics can get very hairy, which is why there are a number of "Jewish" diseases based on genetics, like Tay Sachs and the like.

    The basic problem, of course, is that "race" is a tricky word. And, because I am having such fun with the new boards and this post is wildly off topic, I'm opening a new thread to discuss exactly what "race" is, whether Jews or any other cultural/religious group qualify as a race, and such other concepts.

    Here


    Any further posts in this current thread need to relate to the costume party.
     
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    In my opinion we are that afraid of any sign of racism because we still are racists. It goes like this:

    1. Some minority is being treated really bad. It's estabilished in the society and understood as "all right" by the majority.
    2. Now comes the realisation that we all are human so we should treat each other like that. So we cross out that bad behavior towards other race(s) from our code of laws.
    3. Everybody avoids racism at any costs. This leads to non-equal treatment again, now in favor of the minority, which seems like a good idea. But it makes a perfect basis for further racial conflicts.

    In my country there is similar racial problem with a minority of people who were used to nomadic life for centuries. Now they have doors open everywhere in order to integrate in our society. BUT 1.not everybody approves them as full-fledged part of the society and 2.they can abuse this "positive discrimination" and many of them do so. Now there are even more reasons for interracial hatred!

    I don't know the situation in US that well, but I think it can't be completely different.
     
    kaucukovnik, Nov 15, 2007
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