Does Elminster Die?

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I found this poll a couple of days ago so I went to check if Elminster could die. I reinstalled BG1 and used gatekeeper to raise my main character to level 50. I continued on my way to the friendly arm inn so I would meet Elminster on the way. I had the +5 defender and Imoen and a +2 short bow with +2 arrows. I attacked him immediatly but I couldn't even hit him but he did go hostile. He talked to me and started his "hello there wanderer" speech and then just walked away. I kept trying this but couldn't even touch him.

Later I searched for cheats and found one that spawns Drizzt who helps you to kill any hostile people in sight. I surrounded Elminster with them so he couldn't move and the Drizzt army pounded on him for ages. Then he started speeking the way he did when he was the doppleganger in the catacombs and started attacking the Drizzt with his Quarter staff. Drizzt couldn't get a hit on him and Eliminster couldn't touch the Drizzt. Imoen had wasted her arrows and I had pulled back my main character before because I thought Elminster was going to cast some great big killer spell and I couldn't get him back in the fight because Elminster was surrounded by Drizzt.

I got bored and shut the game down and uninstalled it. Either the programers made him undefeatable or he is immortal.

 

Yeah OK but don't a large number of god's end up getting their arse kicked by immortals? I mean just because he is a god that doesn't mean he can't be almost totally forced out of existence?

 

Elminster a chosen of mystra, even if he was killed he would be ressurected by mystra (if you've read the elminstyer books he dies like 10 times nad is ressurected) and do you really thik a few greater dopplegangers cna take on elminster? i mean he defeated an entire order of mage lords when he was still learning to be a mage, do some of you guys really think he'd be whipped by some dopplegangers when he is already a master mage?!

 

I'd have to agree with you guys on the people in d&d who overkill the drow thing. I like Drizzt and Raist, because they were fabulous in the books, but players (esp in tabletop) are just sad. in the words of bloody elves w/ long swords. my solution was a deep gnome ranger with a racial hatred for drow not quite legal but boy I chew those yahoos up.

 

ROFL! That's a good one Ice Weasel! I'd never have thought of that!

 

What about a drow halfing vampire paladin/assain?

 

So............does he die? Ever?

 

Just beat him with the ugly stick, that ought to do it!

 

...and vanished in a puff of logic

 

Jeez, I guess you were right about this topic never dying. Just when you think it has gone under, BAM someone posts a reply.

 

It's still here!

 

My personal theory (having not read any books on AD&D) is that Elminster is invincible because he is the only wizard who gets to wear a pointy hat (or hat of greater pointiness +5)

 

I've got a pointy hat...does that make me a god? and so does my teddy bear.

Oh look teddy, we're gods! Weeeee! We are gods because we have pointy hats! My pointy hat is 3 metres high so i must be a big god! Yipee *jumps in air clicking heels*

 

Or maybe all pointy hats in the forgotten realms are so magically pointy they would fry the brains of non-gods - does anyone know why you don't see any mages who AREN'T the big E in pointy hats? - oh, and Sniper, if you can wear a 3m high hat without breaking your neck there must be something in that.

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I'm still sure pointy hats are related to Elminster's power in some way because I don't see anyone else wearing one. Maybe only the chosen of Mystra are worthy of Mystra's Hats of Greater Pointiness and lesser mages have their brains fried.
(oops, sorry I thought I'd done something wrong and my last post hadn't come up but it was just delayed)

[This message has been edited by Ironbeard (edited March 11, 2001).]

 

You are creative and imaginative no doubt. But c'mon! maybe they need to reach a certain level or something...

 

Nice idea, Sniper, 10th level, Rincewind's wizzard hat, 14th level, hat of pointiness, Elminster's huge level, Mystra's hat of greater pointiness. What level did you and your teddy need to reach to wear that hat of extreme height you mentioned?

 

Oh ... only a level 23...not that hard is it? took me about...6 months...

 

Ok, I'll stop the hat thing now - it's probably annoying and as a mere acolyte I have no right to hijack a topic and annoy people. A few comments
1) I like the idea of pointy hats being like Dak'kon's sword and improving w. level
2) I thought the doppelgangers could only take the form of people they'd killed - like terminator. I trusted the big E in the cellars because of this, then found out I was wrong about the whole kill you first thing - maybe that's the source of this misunderstanding about the big E's death
3) Excuse my ignorance, but if E is a chosen of Mystra, how does that make him any more of a god than you?