France Avoids Fate

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Talk about your sweeping generalizations. Please show me the polls of all of Europe which show that this is the case.

Bush did not invent ballistic missles. In fact, his administration has signed treaties to further reduce the number of missles we do have. Look it up.

The Kyoto Treaty was unfairly skewed against the largest nations, ignored a huge proportion of the world's population, and was voted against by 97 U.S. Senators. You can't say it was just Bush.

Not "reconfirmed" the policy of not assassinating? WTF are you talking about? We don't re-vote on a law or executive order just to make you feel better.

If by "nuclear testing ban" you're referring to our completely legal withdrawal from SALT II, then you're ust being simplistic. We withdrew so that we would have the ability to develop defensive weapons to shoot down incoming missles, something which the treaty forbade. Once we develop them, I'm sure you Brits will steal the plans and be happy that the bad ol' USA withdrew from SALT II after all.

And I'm not sure what "head of the chemical weapons committee" you're talking about. But then it appears neither are you.

Same thing we're doing in Afghanistan. Nothing ambiguous about it. We're not social engineers. We just want our enemies elminated or powerless. Very, very simple concept.

The U.S. economy is not even close to being in ruins. Indicators are already on the upswing. And it's nothing like Japan's problems, which stemmed from an improperly regulated banking system.

No, it is not. He is doing what a nation does when it needs to defend itself. Sorry that we're not sitting still and waiting for more attacks. Apparently self-defense offends you.

What? Source, please. I think you're confusing Bush with our previous president, who was notorious for mulligans.

Then you need to read the papers more. The evidence to the contrary is abundant.

I find it interesting that you first say that Bush is an idiot (as "everyone in Europe" agrees) and then go on to portray him as a devious, evil mastermind manipulating the US for his own ends. Which is it?

Or maybe it's just that you've got a huge, whiny, teenage boy chip on your shoulder.

[ August 16, 2002, 18:16: Message edited by: Shralp ]

 

Shralp, most people in Europe agree with the USA fighting terrorism, there's no doubt about that. The truth is, however, that pretty much every single european thinks George Bush is an idiot. We just can't believe that a man as stupid as him coud become the most powerful man in the world, it just isn't right.

 

Great response Shralp!
National Defense does not mean waiting until you are attacked before acting on a threat. The President warned the world that the U.S. would not make any differentiation between terrorists and the nations that harbor them. The U.S., along with our British allies, are at war with these terrorists! Unfortunately, diplomacy is impossible when dealing with terrorists and their financial backers.
My feathers get ruffled when I read others criticizing the President's handling of the War on Terrorism. I have friends that work at the Pentagon, and by the Grace of God, they were not injured on 9/11. The President (no matter what party he is from) needs our prayers, not our criticism, especially during this time of crisis.

 

Bring klinton back and then i'll pray.

[ August 16, 2002, 15:20: Message edited by: Z-Layrex ]

 

Come on people! *Completely lacks response to Shralp terrible blind response*

I am afraid.

 

Once again, I request some insight from Mr. Lee and joacqin. You state opinions as if they are fact, with no facts to back them.

I am really beginning to think that both of you are trolling. Neither of you has offered anything of substance to this thread. Every time either of you has posted, it has the appearance of trying to inflame rather than inform (or discuss).

As for me, I am not going to respond to anymore posts from either of you in this thread unless it contains some real insight (facts, please) and not just rhetoric.

 

Hey Jack, I think Shralp was just itching to start this mud wrestle himself. Look at the first post with french eyes, and ask yourself if; "Shralp states opinions as if they are fact, with no facts to back them."

Don't get all round up, on all the babbling aftermath of Shralp's nifty tongues. Perhaps Joacqin and Christopher_Lee don't want to have a reasonable discussion. Or Shralp for that matter...

[ August 16, 2002, 17:35: Message edited by: Nobleman ]

 

Not even close, Nooberman. I posted a link to a newspaper article.

joa, if you've got no response, then make no response. Not even to call me names.

Z, now you too are attempting to speak for all of Europe. I make the same challenge. Show me the poll that shows most Europeans think Bush is stupid.

If there is such a thing, then there is really no choice but to conclude that most Europeans are stupid. For how can a moron do what Bush has done in his life? You kiddies like to overlook those biographical facts in favor of dwelling on how he misprounced "subliminal."

If there is not such a poll, then you're just spouting random opinions. Like this one:

"The French are a smallish, monkey-looking bunch and not dressed any better, on average, than the citizens of Baltimore. True, you can sit outside in Paris and drink little cups of coffee, but why this is more stylish than sitting inside and drinking large glasses of whiskey I don't know." --
O'Rourke, P.J. (1989), Holidays in hell. London (Picador), 199

[ August 16, 2002, 19:02: Message edited by: Shralp ]

 

Heh. Z, his name is Clinton. I was skimming this thread and nearly fell off my chair. I thought you said klingon!

 

Yep Shralp you posted a link... duh? But have you forgotten you wrote this too?:

If you don't like reading crap from other board members (or do you? ), why on earth post a link and make a spiffy hot shot one-liner next to the link, with (to quote Jack Funk again) "no facts to back them"?

What would you possibly achieve other than start a fight? Wanting us all to say; "Cool deduction Shralp, You really hit the mark on the french.. again". Yes or no answer?

[ August 16, 2002, 19:30: Message edited by: Nobleman ]

 

What facts would you like me back that up with, Nooberman? Did you really think that America has a "naughty" list? That was clearly an opinion and clearly a joke -- in a way that the statement "most Europeans think Bush is an idiot" is not.

 

Sure thing dearest, but I don't see Z-Layrex laughing. I know I know, its not your fault that Europeans start bugging you with Japanese-Americans persecution.

Don't we need a Sarcasm-smiley for those intriguing political jokes... hehe add sexist jokes to the list for Methylviolet...

This board is freaking hilarious

[ August 16, 2002, 21:25: Message edited by: Nobleman ]

 

Well that poll proves it, get a person with a mental age over 10 in charge this time and America could start recovering from its recession.

[ August 17, 2002, 15:00: Message edited by: Z-Layrex ]

 

Z, your apparant low mental age became quite obvious in your last post.

[ August 17, 2002, 20:28: Message edited by: SlimShogun ]

 

ok 'bud'.

 

Oh this just marvellous. Absoloutley hilarious! I'm LMAO here!

Nooberman!? Great!

 

You guys are beginning to sound like actual politicians, simply throwing around insults and not doing any real debating. The fact that the last several posts were nothing but insults and short answers kind of annoyed me.

And you think that Bush is more immature than Clinton? At least there's not a lot of scandals surrounding the Bush administration.

 

I have a suggestion for you, Rastor. Know what the heck you're talking about before you decide to talk about it. Have you heard about a little company named Enron and the wee little scandal surrounding the Bush administration...I thought not. What is oral sex when compared to billions of dollars, doof?

 

Uh, there is no Enron scandal around the Bush administration.

There are no charges, no convictions, no impropriety with the Bush administration and Enron.

In fact, the Clinton administration was more tightly tied to Enron than Bush was.