Is Edwin the best mage in the game?

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Extra spells works all the way to level nine, yeah.

 

I ment the spell which one would like to be casted, not those 3 WM only

 

So, good/neutral aligned players don't? And you're not doing dirty work for other people? (investigate Unseeing Eye, find Valygar, help Nalia, etc.)

 

@Undertaker: sorry I didn't get your point. I can't see where the problem is though. There are plenty of scrolls for sale or available for free in the game. It's not like scrolls were scarce or money a problem.
With NRD a Wild Mage can cast a high level spell right after leaving Irenicus Dungeon, all that is needed is to pick up one of these scrolls (Cacofiend is fun).
Edwin knows some nice spells but even he can't cast them when he joins your party.
It's a matter of taste but personally I will never play a Sorcerer again (except for Kelsey or Tashia) since Wild Mages are really fun and once they hit level 10+ and provided they get the better spells in the game they really rock!
With a Wild Mage you don't need so much back up, a Sorcerer can't face every situations without a fully stacked scroll case, besides I'm currently playing BG tutu and if I had been playing a Sorcerer I would never dream of giving this character spells that would grow less useful as he/she levels up whereas with a Wild Mage I can use whatever spell suits the situation best!

@Kuemper: Edwin asks you to MURDER someone you don't even know. Nor does he prove that this guy is evil. Rayic Gerthras is only a powerful cowled wizard, not a monster torturing people or capturing nymphs.
Valygar is a presumed murderer (and you are not hired to kill him but to capture him), Nalia is a goody type even if she is misleaded and only wants to free her home from an invasion by evil monsters, the Unseeing Quest is meant to investigate an evil cult that causes trouble and make people take out their own eyes...

 

He's got mephits in his house! That alone proves he's evil.

 

Rayic is part of the group of people who swept Imoen away without so much as a byyourleave. Even my LG pally killed him - in self-defense, of course - considering he wouldn't let me get to the stairs before casting spells. IIRC, 'murdering' for Edwin is the only way to advance the 'plot' of getting info about MaeVar, which leads to getting info about finding Imoen/Irenicus.

My point was that other people ask you to do their dirty work, not just Edwin.

 

@Felinoid: good point, but do you kill every evil person in the game? just because they go "ping" and become red when your pally casts detect evil. If killing Firkrag is questionable then it is even more dubious with this mage.

@Kuemper: So according to your logic your pally should have killed Tolgerias too?
I mean if I am a mage in the Dock district and a group of heavily armed persons walk in and murder my mephit pets I wouldn't wait for them to skewer me.

EDIT: I made a poll there

[ August 28, 2005, 15:37: Message edited by: Caradhras ]

 

Whats the problem Felinoid Poor cat couldn't jump high enough to catch the irritating mephits for lunch

 

@Caradhras - No, my point is that you do other people's dirty work, not just Edwin's!

The pally I played didn't cast Detect Evil. The mephits and stone golems attacked *first*, therefore, I defended myself. When I reached the third floor to talk to Rayic, he asked me to leave. As I was doing so, he began casting Dispel Magic, then Horror. I'm sorry, but when someone starts casting spells at me, I tend to get a little huffy, regardless of my alignment.

Also, I made an *agreement*, lawfully binding me to do this task for Edwin. I never intended to kill Rayic, merely talk him into leaving Edwin alone (even though Edwin asks, 'Has the Cowled fool been disposed of?')

And who says nobody role-plays anymore?

 

@Shrikant:
I stand on two legs; I didn't need to jump.

Mephits are evil (and they taste that way too ), and only evil wizards would use them. Not only that, but one could assume that a Cowled Wizard would have a familiar. Seeing no other candidates in the house, one can also assume that one of those mephits is Rayic's familiar (while the rest are just the familiar's friends). Thus, Rayic Gethras is (Neutral) Evil.

 

Yeah, isn't it disgraceful how some people (and creatures) react to others breaking in their property?


Regarding Edwin being the best spellcaster in the game... well, truth to be said the best spellcaster would actually be a Wild Mage who's been equipped with Edwin's Amulet via SK.

/me hides until crowd stops booing and chanting "cheater"

This makes me remember something. Has any of you experienced a bug by which Edwin cannot make use of Minor Spell Sequencer when he has more than 6 spell slots for levels 1 and 2? When that happens, he can cast Minor Spell Sequencer, but then the list of spells from which to choose is empty... I equipped a PC wizard with his Amulet to test this, and I got the same result.

 

Edwin has to have some kind of disadvantage

 

@Colthrun - The gate to his property was wide open and the door to his home unlocked. The only thing my party could be accused of was unlawful entry. Although, in line with my previous posts, I will say I did knock.

 

@Kuemper: Imoen has broken the law by using magic without a licence, she is guilty of a felony -extenuating circumstances would apply, nonetheless she is guilty. In the other thread Felinoid pointed out that the Maevar quest is only a side quest, you get information on Imoen's whereabouts by dealing with Aran Linvail, not Renal Bloodscalp.

@Western Paladin: none apart from having the most remarkably obnoxious personality in the game.

 

@Caradhras - I was replying to the comment made by Colthrun, not you.

 

@Kuemper: I do crave your indulgence and humbly beg to be forgiven for I was the victim of a common misconception, I erroneously believed that this was the "Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal" forum i.e. a public meeting or assembly for open discussion where people exchange ideas about a common interest; I am utterly despondent at the thought of the disagreement my ill-timed intervention may have caused.

 

Now now, we could also go forth and play nice people.
Don't eat each other please, there'll be no-one left for my lunch!

 

Oi Beren! Where are you now?

 

Well, my reply was in keeping with the joking of Colthrun's and since I did note it with '@Colthrun'... Cadrahas seems (imho) to take things a tad personally. That's life.

 

Nice icon (there goes SP's G rating) -- I wanted that one, but it was listed as 'for women only' -- I guess I could have lied.

More on topic: A paladin cannot be 'lawfully bound' to do an evil act. If, in your role-playing, you believe taking out the mage is an evil act -- then the paladin cannot do it. Good deeds and defeating evil are the focus of a paladin -- not necessarily upholding the law or following through on an evil agreement.

I reasoned it more like: I believed the cowled wizards were evil (including Tolgeras). Even Keldorn agreed there. Hence, taking him out wasn't an evil act -- it may not have been a good act, just not evil.

I certainly did not need to complete the Mar'Vae quest to further the plot to rescue Imoen and I realized it at the time. In fact there were a few quests I did not do because I felt the paladin should not do them -- but this wasn't one of them.