Modern day democracy? What is that?

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I don't know if this has been mentioned but i'll mention it anyway.

Rastor, The UK is not a republician state. It is in actual fact a democratic state that has retained the values of a monarchy.

In terms of wether the Monarchy actually holds power is another thing. Define what you mean by power. Do you mean through the power to rule a country and make decisions or do you mean so by the popularity that they hold with the general public? If it is the first, then, you are right, the Queen etc. hold little or no power but if we refer to the latter then, in terms of popularity, the Royal family are a popular icon that people look up to. Now that is power!

Anyway, just to finish off, that'll teach Labour to try and de-grade the royals! See! the people still love the Queen and her family! So there!

 

Rome was plundered by the ancient Germans
410 and 455. The Germans funded states on the terrritory of romes Westempire. Old Odoaker pushed Romulus Augustus 476 from (?) his throne. And it finally ended with the dead of Julius Nepos (480).
Hard facts in bad english.

 

Oblate, the germanic tribes had sacked Rome alot of times before that and most of the latter emperors had been germans that had taken the throne. The Roman empire split a bit before in two parts East and West Rome. West Rome fell as you stated Oblate but the eastern part stood for almost another century.

 

I believe Ceaser is a title, which means Emperor. So I'd assume he was emperor at some point

 

Jupp, ceacar is the same word as tzar and kjejsare wich is emperor.

Btw, the hunnic horde swept west, and pushed the other barabarian tribes even more west into roman territory, when the romans denied them home within their borders battles emerged.

 

Eastern Rome was the Byzantine empire, and that lasted until the 16th century.

Sniper, I meant the first definition that you pointed out. Also, the UK is not a "democratic" state. In a democracy, every person votes on every issue. Somehow I doubt that is true in the UK. In a Republic, the citizens elect people to represent them in a Congress or Parliament. So I stand by my original statement that the UK is a republic with feudalistic values.

Julius Caesar was not a true emperor, he was a consul who managed to oust his partners just before he was assassinated. Would that not have happened, he would have become an emperor. Either way, the Roman Republic ended with him.

 

His name was Gajus Julius Caesar, Julius was the family name and Caeser was the name you used when you talked to him. His adoptive son Octavianus (Octavian) who changed his name to Augustus also took the name Caesar and it changed from being a sur name to being a title. Caeser = Kaizer = Tzar = Kejsare etc it is only the english that uses another word for emperor, namely emperor
But this is highly off topic!

 

"Capitalism= Give the money to the rich, and let the poor starve."

Really?

I'm neither starving nor rich, nobody gives me any money, and I would consider myself a capitalist. (I own a teency-weency fraction of a major oil company, for example.)

Capitalism is a very, very murky cocktail of hope, greed, good intention, and guile. And it works. Which is why socialist governments keep putting up their industries for auction to the public these days..

 

Of course. Whenever you can actually see a real benefit to it over other jobs, you're more likely to care enough to make it work.

Joacquin is correct about the origin of the title of Caesar, thanks for clearing that up.

Heh, he's probably going after us in the USA. Our rich people keep buying up more companies and such, making them richer, and (most) of them are greedy, and can't seem to pay their workers enough or donate to charity. Yes, I do consider myself a capitalist, but this is one of the problems with the US system.

[Corrected a spelling error I didn't catch earlier]

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Shouldn´t the world be more like give money to the poor and rich and let none starve??

something like Marxism perhaps??

Oh, and about that fall off Rome thing, the emperor neglected its armies and gave more money to culture (orgies and the likes). So when the Huns under the rule of Attila invaded Eastern Europe the "barbarians" panicked and crossed over the Rhine and Donau into Roman territory. Finally resulting in the overthrow of the Roman Empire



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